Comms log
[2023-05-14 16:14] <i_am_noodle> like AIDS twi'lek / [attachment: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103343134160728144/1107340047268720710/latest.png?ex=6a02a908&is=6a015788&hm=45a0a65545672972d74d8aa5870d1d6162fcc5c219f762ab8b1886b9b71c14a0&]
[2023-05-14 16:18] <i_am_noodle> I always thought it was one of the biggest issues of the Eu
[2023-05-14 16:19] <i_am_noodle> If ROTJ has a gangster hutt, then suddenly all hutts are gangsters, if ROTJ has a twi'lek slave, then all twi'leks are naturally born to be sexually submissive slaves (not making this shit up)
[2023-05-14 16:19] <i_am_noodle> If watto is a jewish-like (I mean italian) toydarian, then all other toydarians must be like him
[2023-05-14 16:20] <i_am_noodle> The first time I saw them trying to break away from this trend was with the clone wars, like how they portrayed toydarians as a noble race instead of scheming merchants
[2023-05-14 16:20] <i_am_noodle> or twi'leks being the french resistance
[2023-05-14 16:21] <i_am_noodle> or mandalorians not being a monocultural group of violent warriors
[2023-05-14 17:57] <hellofelix> Clone Wars was by far my favorite Star Wars thing to happen. I've rewatched that series more times than I've seen any movie lol. Wasn't a huge fan of Rebels (although it did have great moments!) And bad batch didn't get me like I hoped it would
[2023-05-15 22:52] <mando_crusher> Yeah I don’t like the monocultural thing / / Boba Fett is probably the worst example where he got turned into a race of Boba Fetts
[2023-05-15 22:53] <mando_crusher> …technically twice
[2023-05-16 00:39] <i_am_noodle> Yes, but come to think about it I don't think its an EU issue but a creative issue that's seen a lot in western stories
[2023-05-16 00:40] <i_am_noodle> Like how there's this character of the "noble savage" because at some point native people got mistified by western romantics and suddenly you can't be a native person without being "deeply spiritual and connected with nature"
[2023-05-16 00:41] <i_am_noodle> or how all hispanic people care deeply about family and we have a funny "abuelita" who uses a sandal to hit people with
[2023-05-16 01:32] <mando_crusher> Funnily enough my Mexican friend had that exact same experience, I guess stereotypes do tend to have some kind of basis / / But I do get what you’re saying, although I’d say it’s less stereotypes in this case and more a lack of nuance
[2023-05-17 14:48] <cinematicseriesgaming> The stereotypes are pretty dumb, I have to admit. But there's another thing that bugs me about Star Wars aliens. The writers can't decide what language they speak or how they sound! For example, A New Hope established that Rodians (like Greedo) speak their own distinct language. And Greedo had a very unique voice that sounds alien and interesting. Games like Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy respected this. But then other Star Wars media start retconning established lore and we have Rodians with human-sounding voices speaking English in The Clone Wars show. (edited)
[2023-05-17 14:51] <cinematicseriesgaming> Writers can't even decide on how fairly new species sound! You remember Klaud (the slug thing) from Episode IX? He had just a few lines but he clearly didn't speak like a human. He had a deep raspy voice and certainly didn't speak English. But then we meet the member of his species in Jedi Survivor and he sounds like a normal human male.
[2023-05-17 14:57] <cinematicseriesgaming> I wish Star Wars had more alien characters with unique languages and voices because it feels really awkward when a bizarre-looking non-humanoid alien speaks like an Englishman or an American hillbilly. Season 3 of The Mandalorian was pretty ridiculous in this regard. You remember this one bizarre opening scene where we had a romantic interaction between a Quarren and a Calamari? The Calamari guy was voiced by Tom Holland's younger brother XD
[2023-05-17 15:00] <cinematicseriesgaming> Now that I think about it, it's kind of a miracle that The Book of Boba Fett didn't make Tuskens or Jawas speak English. Pretty much the only species in Star Wars that consistently use their own languages
[2023-05-17 15:10] <cir.ca> Accents and languages are learned, not instinct. It's not absurd if a Rodian doesn't always speak Rodian or a Twi'lek doesn't have a French accent just like it's not absurd if a person born in Russia but moves to the United States as a child doesn't have a Russian accent. They showed that with Hera in rebels where she falls back into her accent when she talks to her parents. I've seen that happen in person myself. / / I do think they avoid alien languages more than they should in recent media but I don't think it's that big of a deal, honestly. In the SW universe Galactic Basic is definitely the most common, and always was. I'd prefer more aliens speaking basic than less aliens overall if I had to pick.
[2023-05-17 15:11] <cinematicseriesgaming> Sure but Twileks are very similar to humans. I would think that Rodians have very different voiceboxes than humans, so they physically wouldn't even be able to speak like a human, let alone with an English accent
[2023-05-17 15:12] <cinematicseriesgaming> Same thing with Klaud species, the Hutts, Grans etc.
[2023-05-17 15:13] <cir.ca> 🤔 Why would Rodians have a very different voice box than humans but Twi'leks wouldn't?
[2023-05-17 15:14] <cir.ca> For Wookiees I think that could be said but I don't think it would be a default explanation for all alien species. It is Star Wars after all, it will be whatever the story wants it to be, its not going to be based on much science
[2023-05-17 15:15] <cinematicseriesgaming> Because Twileks are anatomically extremely similar to humans and Rodians are more distinct. Just look at their heads and faces
[2023-05-17 15:15] <cinematicseriesgaming> It's a space fantasy, so obviously it's not going to be scientifically accurate. It could be consistent, though
[2023-05-17 15:16] <makha> I dont mean to be "that guy" but do we feel this conversation would be more suitable for #starwars-franchise rather than #models-skins ? 😅
[2023-05-17 15:17] <cir.ca> Meh, consistency is nice but was never really a thing with George so it probably won't ever be a priority with George Jr. (Filoni) stuff least.
[2023-05-17 15:33] <mrwonko> I feel like these conversations are welcome anywhere as long as they don't drown out anything else
[2023-05-17 15:33] <i_am_noodle> I like the fact that ithorians that speak basic need a modulator to speak properly / [attachment: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103343134160728144/1108417049551712256/latest.png?ex=6a029f92&is=6a014e12&hm=905bd1fb4d88b1ad2e520b37443f2be841a2c0be972e9cc5ccc4425519cf7677&]
[2023-05-17 15:35] <makha> fair enough. I dont want to stifle or kill conversations by any means.
[2023-05-17 15:37] <mrwonko> If we were busy chatting about actual skin/model stuff it'd be different, but during downtime, some spam is natural (and personally, I welcome it)
[2023-05-17 15:38] <i_am_noodle> Its not only about "respecting" that, but also because its way cheaper to have some unintelligible alien voice files that you can freely use without having to hire new voice actors. Its cost efficient
[2023-05-17 15:40] <i_am_noodle> Also, anatomy wise rodians and humans can't be too different, the only thing they have that's really different is the shape of the head and the texture of their skin. They are still bipedal, have 2 arms, thumbs, and probably have similar organs to us (lungs, guts, voicebox, etc)
[2023-05-17 15:47] <cir.ca> We need an Ithorian SP species mod with voices from KOTOR to replace Jaden's
[2023-05-17 15:47] <cir.ca> Now I wanna do that
[2023-05-17 15:52] <i_am_noodle> Totally doable since Psyk0Sith did the ithorian jedi model
[2023-05-17 15:52] <i_am_noodle> fuck yeah level up
[2023-05-17 17:32] <tayst> Star Wars is a space soap opera
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[2023-05-17 20:30] <mando_crusher> but I luv her
[2023-05-17 20:31] <mando_crusher> When Star Wars just makes aliens speak the same as humans it feels more like Star Trek
[2023-05-17 23:00] <i_am_noodle> is that good or bad?
[2023-05-17 23:33] <mando_crusher> Bad in the sense that they lose their unique identity and feel by recalling a different property with different goals
[2023-05-17 23:33] <mando_crusher> It makes a lot more sense for the Trek aliens to come off as more human given the context (and budget), but Star Wars should be embracing the uniqueness and difference of all these species instead of 'blue human' (edited)
[2023-05-18 00:07] <i_am_noodle> I agree
